" All right the major landscape improvement that we're doing to the side in the back of the house involves fencing and Bob this all white cedar the is right yes sir so what do. Why is that the best choice for this kind of fencing. It's. Would dense enough not -- species it's local it is. Impervious to rot its long lasting long lasting yeah now one thing that I want to ask is I've always thought that mixing concrete. In. In a hole and putting in an a hole surrounding a wood post of any sort is a bad idea doesn't it promote rot."

" It does if it's done improperly. There is a correct way of doing -- what we do is we set a post to approximately 36 inch depth. -- we'll throw all part 36 inches of material dirt back in the hall of dirt and then we'll add the concrete that way doesn't create a total seal. It allows a lot to pass through the wood between the wood and carved from the concrete is there for stiffness stiffness stability and it's remains the elevation."

" Also they don't heat is not to totally in case. That post in concrete current -- you did that you would be trapping moisture in the wood yes and that's accelerates the writing process. I gotcha all right well what what are we creating right here this almost looks like shower stalls at the beach club here."

" Yeah it is in the sense. Basically Sarah came to us and our homeowner your homeowner she said that very tight site and she would have wished she could have a shed planting area and a trashed them. Sources are we can give that -- we have that's spot on the side and this is basically what this."

" Create so essentially got the fence going along the property -- putting up these little wing walls are we going balances on and and we'll have an enclosure for trash let's talk about what you've already done though because when you got here you had to deal with. Federal rough site was the first thing had to go to work on what we came here first Bob we had. There was an existing chain link fence that was up in the back line. With. Some heavy growth so we had come in and cut the growth and also remove the -- fast. What about the digging on the site is a very rocky isn't there some ledge around here there's quite a bit rock here and -- fact were struck. Part of Iraq in the holes as we're digging -- loose material and also some solid material. Of these posts have to be dug to a 36 inch depth. So we find it quite frequently that is why the cement also helps is the depth because of the the frost heaves that we encounter in -- requirements it's for the frost as well as stability of the fence six foot high fence. Needs a certain amount in the ground -- two thirds of the height must be set in in the ground. Two thirds two thirds above and 13 below current -- OK and what about the actual panels these are made back in your shop and then you install them on site that's. You've got a sloped site how do you deal with that well that's -- that's an interesting. Question we have to do with the call racking the sections. Which basically takes a section that's built square -- and actually slopes the boards. To make up for the difference in the elevation in the height of the ground OK. And you can do that even though you got double nailing on all these boards at that point they go."

" To a certain extent sometimes they've -- reach a point where they won't rack any further in in that case we have to build the panels on site. Okay what you -- here what about the caps. The caps the fence cap on the top of the fence. Is it is a finish piece as Rollins and it helps with the rain. Basically we have to sometimes. You get into position whereas the boards. On. Extremely racked situation. You -- stagger yeah so are you have to cut. The top of the boards and -- for the -- it over because there's only about a half inch. -- that itself."

" This as a soffit yeah now putting up fencing on a sloped site has got to be the hardest job now it's not -- All right so most fencing has. Well they're both nice size -- one side is. Clear like this and the other side has the rails exposed. For a and so would how do you choose which side faces in what direction."

" That's up to the homeowner -- is really in -- system this town ordinances that specify which you can who gets which side. Basically this is what we call the good side of the beauties I've -- due to side in in the backside. Of course has a three cause off the rails and -- done here well we've we've done it both ways here Bob as a matter of fact the rear fence actually we turned the good side into the homeowner OK and then a sidelined we turned the rails inside the home so we didn't the beauty side to the neighbor correct and the neighbor's very close to the fence well it's a beautiful fence things."